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		<title>By: Where to rent or buy email lists for a survey? &#171; Measuring-Satisfaction.com</title>
		<link>http://blog.wordtothewise.com/2009/07/another-list-purchase-horror-story/comment-page-1/#comment-2314</link>
		<dc:creator>Where to rent or buy email lists for a survey? &#171; Measuring-Satisfaction.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 10:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] post on Word to the Wise &#8211; another list purchase horror story &#8211; reminded me of a very similar experience a few years ago when a client supplied us their [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Delivery Blog Carnival at Word to the Wise</title>
		<link>http://blog.wordtothewise.com/2009/07/another-list-purchase-horror-story/comment-page-1/#comment-2302</link>
		<dc:creator>Delivery Blog Carnival at Word to the Wise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 23:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] comment that prompted our conversation is: rented email addresses, if done properly, should be no different [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Peter Roebuck</title>
		<link>http://blog.wordtothewise.com/2009/07/another-list-purchase-horror-story/comment-page-1/#comment-2322</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Roebuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree John that the list doesn&#039;t pass the smell test. I know your position on purchased lists and agree with you in general but think you can be a bit harsh when criticizing ALL list buyers.

We don&#039;t buy or rent lists because we&#039;ve never found one that actually worked, but we do test it every 6-9 months with one of our clients. As direct marketers, we are always looking for new ways to prospect for new customers and rented email addresses, if done properly, should be no different from renting physical mailing addresses. With over 25 years in direct mail catalog experience, we know that catalogers are sending fewer catalogs and moving from print media to other alternatives, most significantly email. I believe that in time, these catalogers will begin renting/trading their email lists just like they currently rent/trade their physical mailing addresses. Once they figure out how to do this legally and ethically, I hope that this type of prospecting will become feasible and an alternative to others like Google PPC.

Our email deliverability vendor Return Path was in the list brokering business until only a few months back. Unfortunately, I never got around to testing their list.

In the meantime, we tell our clients that renting lists is not an option and give them the most recent test results from November 2008. I&#039;ve also blogged about our miserable list buying/renting test results as we continue to strongly recommend avoiding this as an option.

I always enjoy your comments John. Keep it up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree John that the list doesn&#8217;t pass the smell test. I know your position on purchased lists and agree with you in general but think you can be a bit harsh when criticizing ALL list buyers.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t buy or rent lists because we&#8217;ve never found one that actually worked, but we do test it every 6-9 months with one of our clients. As direct marketers, we are always looking for new ways to prospect for new customers and rented email addresses, if done properly, should be no different from renting physical mailing addresses. With over 25 years in direct mail catalog experience, we know that catalogers are sending fewer catalogs and moving from print media to other alternatives, most significantly email. I believe that in time, these catalogers will begin renting/trading their email lists just like they currently rent/trade their physical mailing addresses. Once they figure out how to do this legally and ethically, I hope that this type of prospecting will become feasible and an alternative to others like Google PPC.</p>
<p>Our email deliverability vendor Return Path was in the list brokering business until only a few months back. Unfortunately, I never got around to testing their list.</p>
<p>In the meantime, we tell our clients that renting lists is not an option and give them the most recent test results from November 2008. I&#8217;ve also blogged about our miserable list buying/renting test results as we continue to strongly recommend avoiding this as an option.</p>
<p>I always enjoy your comments John. Keep it up!</p>
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		<title>By: John Caldwell</title>
		<link>http://blog.wordtothewise.com/2009/07/another-list-purchase-horror-story/comment-page-1/#comment-2315</link>
		<dc:creator>John Caldwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 23:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the purchaser was &quot;smart&quot; enough to identify &quot;problem&quot; email addresses in a purchased list, but is naive about purchasing lists?

I&#039;m sorry, but this just doesn&#039;t pass the smell test for me....

I have no sympathy for the purchaser.  To me it&#039;s just one shady character getting ripped off by another shady character....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the purchaser was &#8220;smart&#8221; enough to identify &#8220;problem&#8221; email addresses in a purchased list, but is naive about purchasing lists?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but this just doesn&#8217;t pass the smell test for me&#8230;.</p>
<p>I have no sympathy for the purchaser.  To me it&#8217;s just one shady character getting ripped off by another shady character&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Ginsberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Ginsberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That sounds pretty harsh...but it&#039;s usually is the way with purchased lists isn&#039;t it?

Do you know of a real source to buy opt-in email addresses?

Purchase and opt-in don&#039;t belong in the same sentence!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That sounds pretty harsh&#8230;but it&#8217;s usually is the way with purchased lists isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>Do you know of a real source to buy opt-in email addresses?</p>
<p>Purchase and opt-in don&#8217;t belong in the same sentence!</p>
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