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		<title>By: Bad year coming for sloppy marketers &#8211; Word to the Wise</title>
		<link>http://blog.wordtothewise.com/2009/12/the-coming-changes/comment-page-1/#comment-3737</link>
		<dc:creator>Bad year coming for sloppy marketers &#8211; Word to the Wise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 01:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is something I talked about a few weeks ago, in a series of blog posts looking at the changes in 2010. The signs are out there, and companies with marginal [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Email related predictions for 2010 &#8211; Word to the Wise</title>
		<link>http://blog.wordtothewise.com/2009/12/the-coming-changes/comment-page-1/#comment-3629</link>
		<dc:creator>Email related predictions for 2010 &#8211; Word to the Wise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 19:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] my recent series of posts has indicated, I am seeing a lot of future changes in the email [...]</description>
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		<title>By: E-mail marketing et délivrabilité : le futur rôle des routeurs &#124; Neoced.net</title>
		<link>http://blog.wordtothewise.com/2009/12/the-coming-changes/comment-page-1/#comment-3497</link>
		<dc:creator>E-mail marketing et délivrabilité : le futur rôle des routeurs &#124; Neoced.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 11:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] pourront s&#8217;appuyer sur une liste de confiance (sur le modèle de la certification Microsoft). E-mailing : les changements à venir [...]</description>
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		<title>By: A series of warnings &#8211; Word to the Wise</title>
		<link>http://blog.wordtothewise.com/2009/12/the-coming-changes/comment-page-1/#comment-3460</link>
		<dc:creator>A series of warnings &#8211; Word to the Wise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The coming changes from: Word to the Wise The ISP [...] are seeing spam coming from an ESP and they expect the ESP to make it stop. This is it, ESPs, you’ve now been accepted as full members of the email ecosystem and are now expected to police the traffic coming off your IP space. It is no longer sufficient to segregate customers onto their own IPs and let the ISPs block unwanted mail. ESPs are now expected to do their own policing and their own monitoring. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The coming changes from: Word to the Wise The ISP [...] are seeing spam coming from an ESP and they expect the ESP to make it stop. This is it, ESPs, you’ve now been accepted as full members of the email ecosystem and are now expected to police the traffic coming off your IP space. It is no longer sufficient to segregate customers onto their own IPs and let the ISPs block unwanted mail. ESPs are now expected to do their own policing and their own monitoring. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: laura</title>
		<link>http://blog.wordtothewise.com/2009/12/the-coming-changes/comment-page-1/#comment-3385</link>
		<dc:creator>laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 01:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; ISP and anti-spam vendor staff tend to be classier than that, but maybe that silence has been working against them?&lt;/i&gt;

I don&#039;t think the ISPs and anti-spam vendors have necessarily been silent. They are talking to the providers, individually pointing out that there are customer problems and that the providers need to stop their customers from continuing to spam. It&#039;s not public shaming, yet. I also don&#039;t see it becoming public, I think blocks will just start growing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> ISP and anti-spam vendor staff tend to be classier than that, but maybe that silence has been working against them?</i></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think the ISPs and anti-spam vendors have necessarily been silent. They are talking to the providers, individually pointing out that there are customer problems and that the providers need to stop their customers from continuing to spam. It&#8217;s not public shaming, yet. I also don&#8217;t see it becoming public, I think blocks will just start growing.</p>
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		<title>By: Huey</title>
		<link>http://blog.wordtothewise.com/2009/12/the-coming-changes/comment-page-1/#comment-3384</link>
		<dc:creator>Huey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 00:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh wrote: &lt;i&gt;My comments were not about meant to be about ISPs blocking an individual ESP, they were about the suggestion that major ISPs were going to provide an option to “block ALL ESPs” which implied that it would include the whitehats as well. In that case, I still do believe that even the best ESPs would be forced to obsfucate their messages.&lt;/i&gt; 

To steal from Gen Norman Schwarzkopf: I would characterize that suggestion as &#039;bovine scatology&#039;. The best ESPs are aware, perhaps more than anyone else, that when someone indicates they don&#039;t want your mail, the first and most important thing you need to do is to stop sending it to them. And this principle remains sound whether that indication is made at an end-user level or at a domain-wide level. Why would people who are already trying to do all the right things spontaneously decide to start acting like spammers? How would that help?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh wrote: <i>My comments were not about meant to be about ISPs blocking an individual ESP, they were about the suggestion that major ISPs were going to provide an option to “block ALL ESPs” which implied that it would include the whitehats as well. In that case, I still do believe that even the best ESPs would be forced to obsfucate their messages.</i> </p>
<p>To steal from Gen Norman Schwarzkopf: I would characterize that suggestion as &#8216;bovine scatology&#8217;. The best ESPs are aware, perhaps more than anyone else, that when someone indicates they don&#8217;t want your mail, the first and most important thing you need to do is to stop sending it to them. And this principle remains sound whether that indication is made at an end-user level or at a domain-wide level. Why would people who are already trying to do all the right things spontaneously decide to start acting like spammers? How would that help?</p>
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		<title>By: Blocking of ESPs &#8211; Word to the Wise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blocking of ESPs &#8211; Word to the Wise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] been quite a bit of discussion on my post about upcoming changes that ESPs will be facing in the future. One thing some people read into the post is the idea that [...]</description>
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		<title>By: J.D.</title>
		<link>http://blog.wordtothewise.com/2009/12/the-coming-changes/comment-page-1/#comment-3378</link>
		<dc:creator>J.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 21:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When ISPs pressure each other to clean up their outbound traffic, they usually start with quiet, one-on-one conversations -- but not always.  Take a look at the archives for the NANOG or inet-access mailing lists, and you&#039;ll find many examples of what is (in effect) public shaming of unresponsive providers.  That was true eight years ago, and fifteen years ago, and it&#039;s true today.

ESPs certainly haven&#039;t been shy in complaining about what they consider to be unfair practices by ISPs.  ISP and anti-spam vendor staff tend to be classier than that, but maybe that silence has been working against them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When ISPs pressure each other to clean up their outbound traffic, they usually start with quiet, one-on-one conversations &#8212; but not always.  Take a look at the archives for the NANOG or inet-access mailing lists, and you&#8217;ll find many examples of what is (in effect) public shaming of unresponsive providers.  That was true eight years ago, and fifteen years ago, and it&#8217;s true today.</p>
<p>ESPs certainly haven&#8217;t been shy in complaining about what they consider to be unfair practices by ISPs.  ISP and anti-spam vendor staff tend to be classier than that, but maybe that silence has been working against them?</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Baer</title>
		<link>http://blog.wordtothewise.com/2009/12/the-coming-changes/comment-page-1/#comment-3374</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua Baer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the clarification Laura. I certainly agree.</description>
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		<title>By: TWSD: evade blocks &#8211; Word to the Wise</title>
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		<dc:creator>TWSD: evade blocks &#8211; Word to the Wise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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